{"id":241,"date":"2019-03-16T07:15:59","date_gmt":"2019-03-16T07:15:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/?p=241"},"modified":"2019-03-17T06:52:11","modified_gmt":"2019-03-17T06:52:11","slug":"how-to-fill-up-a-gas-bottle","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/index.php\/2019\/03\/16\/how-to-fill-up-a-gas-bottle\/","title":{"rendered":"How to fill up a Gas bottle?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>The first thing we do every morning is boiling water for our coffee. We use the gas stove for it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One of the advantages to\nhave a mobile home is the already installed gas system. It is\nconnected to the fridge, gas stove, heater and warm water depot (yes,\nthat is correct we can have a warm shower \ud83d\ude42 ). We have space to\nstorage two 11kg gas bottles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-media-text alignwide\"><figure class=\"wp-block-media-text__media\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"768\" height=\"1024\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093434-768x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-242\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093434-768x1024.jpg 768w, http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093434-225x300.jpg 225w, http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093434-1200x1600.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 984px) 61vw, (max-width: 1362px) 45vw, 600px\" \/><\/figure><div class=\"wp-block-media-text__content\">\n<p>In wintertime when we used the heater everyday for 12-15 hours (temperature dropped to -8\u00b0C) a bottle lasted around 5 days. Now in spring time we use the heater every now and then, one bottle is enough for around 2 weeks. In summer time is around 4 weeks or even more.   <\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">So, what are we doing when\nthe bottle is empty? \n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<!--more-->\n\n\n\n<p>Really every country is\nusing gas, but every country has a different way. Bottles,\nconnections, filling systems all this things are different and it\ntakes sometimes quiet a lot of time finding it out. \n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One of the reasons that we\nhave two bottles is, if one bottle is empty we keep our eyes open for\na station.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Our Caravan is from\nGermany, so all the system is fitting to the German gas bottles.\nUsually in Germany you bring the empty bottle to a department store\nand buy a full bottle. \n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Going to Countries like\nCroatia you will not have a problem to find a place. I think they are\nusing a different system, but having a lot of campers from Germany\ncoming, so they have the right equipment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">But how to fill up a gas\nbottle from Germany in Kurdistan??<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Well, we built our own\nsmall adapter. We went to a workshop in Turkey which updates cars\nwith LPG tanks. Here we found this device, it is used to fill the\ntanks in the car.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"is-layout-flex wp-container-3 wp-block-columns has-2-columns\">\n<div class=\"is-layout-flow wp-block-column\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093630-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-243\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093630-1024x768.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093630-300x225.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093630-768x576.jpg 768w, http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093630-1200x900.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><figcaption>Device to connect to LPG filling station<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"is-layout-flow wp-block-column\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093622-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-244\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093622-1024x768.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093622-300x225.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093622-768x576.jpg 768w, http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093622-1200x900.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 709px) 85vw, (max-width: 909px) 67vw, (max-width: 1362px) 62vw, 840px\" \/><figcaption>EU-Refill set<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>In Germany we bought a\nEU-Refill set, it is a collection with four different adapters\nfitting different gas bottles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And finish! \n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093738-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-245\" width=\"575\" height=\"431\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093738-1024x768.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093738-300x225.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093738-768x576.jpg 768w, http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093738-1200x900.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 575px) 85vw, 575px\" \/><figcaption>With our adapter we can go to every LPG station.<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Now we can fill up our gas\nbottles on every gas station selling LPG.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But be careful!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There are a few things you need to know about gas. To be clear here: I am not (!) a professional, so make your own researches as well before you do stuff with gas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Camping gas bottles are\nfilled with Propane gas, LPG is a mix with Propane and Bhutan\n(proportions differ). Under pressure Propane and Bhutan is liquid, if\nyou release the pressure it is becoming gas. \n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The pressure can change\nvery much with temperature and also altitude. The gas bottle have a\nsafety valve which opens when the bottle has to much pressure, so it\nwill not explode, BUT high flammable gas will get out. If it happens\nthat you are for example with a cigarette near by, this could create\na disaster.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Another point is that the volume of gas is much higher then in the liquid state. Means that if for some reason liquid Propane or Bhutan is getting out of the bottle it will suddenly expand its volume. Is this happening in the open there is no problem, but is it happening in a closed space for example the pipes, it can cause a deflagration.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Another point is that in\ncold temperatures the pressure could not be enough to completely\nempty the bottle. Especially when you use LPG, the proportion of\nBhutan and Propane is determining the change from liquid to gas\nstate.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Okay, now the bottle.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We are using a 11kg bottle\nwhich has a volume of 27,2l. To make sure that the liquid has enough\nspace to transform to gas inside the bottle don\u00b4t fill it up more\nthen 80%, which would mean 21,6l.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter is-resized\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093405-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-246\" width=\"505\" height=\"379\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093405-1024x768.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093405-300x225.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093405-768x576.jpg 768w, http:\/\/www.rockandrollcaravancafe.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/03\/IMG_20190316_093405-1200x900.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 505px) 85vw, 505px\" \/><figcaption>The bottle has a volume of 27,2l<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Keep in mind that, unless\nyou have a weight scale you cannot say how much Propane\/Bhutan is\nleft inside, especially in cold temperatures.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And don\u00b4t trust the people on the filling station, you need to tell them. There will be an automatic stop, but it comes when the bottle is full (100%).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It happened one time to us\nin Albania, high in the mountains and around 0\u00b0C. \n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The guy at the station\nsaid \u201cno problem\u201d, he made it completely full. A few days later\nwe were in Athens with more then 20\u00b0C. The sun was very strong (yes\nin know, theoretical you shouldn\u00b4t put the bottles in the sun, but\nafter the winter we were every second in the sun :-)).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Until this point we didn\u00b4t\nopen this bottle, I was walking around the car and could smell gas.\nWell it turned out that the safty valve of this bottle opened and gas\ncame out. \n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>No idea if this was\ndangerous but I didn\u00b4t feel good at all!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Since this day I keep an\neye on it when people are filling the bottles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If you keep in mind not more then 80% and you might still have some gas left inside the bottle everything is fine. To be on the safe side, I fill the bottle with not more then 20l and I close the bottle after the filling until we stop for the night somewhere.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That\u00b4s the whole story. But please, as I said make your own researches. If you read in camper groups on the internet some people might swear at this idea, it is also illegal in a few countries, but in many other places it is just the normal way to fill up bottle like this.  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Good Luck. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tell us what you think and what more you want to learn about camperlife.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The first thing we do every morning is boiling water for our coffee. We use the gas stove for it. One of the advantages to have a mobile home is the already installed gas system. 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